so obama's right to say he doesn't negotiate. i'd like to know exactly what he will do if it turns out that there is not a quorum of sane people in the republican party. >> if you were secretary of the treasury, what would you recommend he do? >> i'm for whatever gimmick works. so the most dignified is to say, "look, this is ridiculous. you are giving the president -- effectively congress is giving the president inconsistent instructions. it's passed bills mandating spending. it's passed bills that give us inadequate revenue to cover that spending which requires that we borrow. and then you're saying, 'i can't borrow.' well, you know. and my reading of the constitution is i have to obey the due legislative process and go ahead and do this borrowing to meet the bills that we've already incurred, as the president said." that's sort of what people are calling the fourteenth amendment solution, that basically it's unconstitutional to give into this debt limit thing. i guess that's your best solution. they don't think that that's work